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There was a good discussion on this previously. Other people might feel differently, of course. I think it's good to clarify whether or not you're exclusive before you sleep together, but not necessary in all situations. If they have an expectation that you're not seeing anyone else, I think it's their responsibility to mention it.
As for the pace of your relationships, I 27 year old dude would say dates without a kiss is moving pretty slow. I might try for a kiss on a first date if it went awesome, but definitely on the second date.
If she's choosing to go on dates with you she obviously likes you; why not kiss her? I think a lot of women want the responsibility of making the first move to fall on the guy. Tell your roommates to get lost for an evening and invite her over to watch a movie, or have a picnic with a bottle of wine.
Hell, in my opinion a kiss goodbye at a subway station is pretty romantic too. I guarantee she's asking her friends right now why this great guy isn't trying to kiss her. If you end up having sex with these people, they absolutely need to know whether or not you are or plan to be sexually exclusive.
That way they can make informed decisions about their sexual and emotional health. You don't need to do an end-of-the-night kiss. That's sort of the most awkward and high-school feeling. If you like this girl, and want to kiss her, just do whatever you've done in the past with people you didn't meet online.
In the end, okcupid is just an introduction tool - after that, dating is dating. After that they assume that you aren't even if there hasn't been any discussion about it. Maybe that's just wishful thinking on their part. It's probably good to bring this up directly, though that can be a really awkward conversation.
It feels weird to, like, make a move outside a restaurant or subway station before we go our separate ways. Yeah, as the guy you are usually expected to take the lead on this. There's room for debate but if you've gone four dates without a kiss, she is waiting for you to do it.
So do it! I never thought I would say this in a dating thread but take a tip from Woody Allen. Obviously that's a movie and stylized and blah blah blah, but the lesson here is that you power through the weirdness and just make it quick and fun i. It's a goodnight kiss, not a marriage proposal. It's a little early to invite her back to your apartment -- the "in order to have sex" is practically implied at the end of that invitation -- so you have nowhere else to do it but, well, somewhere neutral.
Outside the train station is perfect for a quick smooch. As the guy, am I supposed to take the lead on this? It's up to the two of you to do things the way you want to do things. Since we don't know what her expectations or desires are, we can't really say. Either of you is allowed to do whatever you want as long as it's consensual, of course. Sorry, but there's no exact procedure that can be spelled out on the internet.
How could there be, when different people have different preferences about pacing? However, I think most people would agree that by the third date, it's generally expected that there's likely to be some kissing going on. If you've already vetted each other online and then twice in person, and then decided you still want a third date, you presumably have enough of a mutual like for each other that either one of you can go for the kiss.
If three dates have gone by and there's been no physical contact other than a polite hug, either person might be wondering if things are going anywhere. By that point, the longer either of you keeps going without advancing things, the higher the chances are that things are never going to advance since either one of you might suddenly lose interest.
That is a fact of life, and it applies to women and men. You don't even need to decide whether to accept or reject the general premise of "Men should take the lead"; all you need to do is decide whether you, as a human being in your specific situation, want to take the lead at any given moment. Is there an expectation that if we sleep together that I'm not going to sleep with anyone else? Yes, that would be the default expectation unless you've specifically discussed that it's OK to be seeing multiple people.
If your relationship with someone is advanced and intimate enough that you're having sex, there should be no problem with having an explicit conversation about this. My feeling is: I have roommates who will be around who haven't met them yet.
So what? Is there something stopping you from making the introductions? Are you afraid of your own roommates? If she does end up becoming your girlfriend she'll presumably meet them eventually, so why not now? Most people who date thru dating sites expect to not be exclusive. If you don't feel comfortable with it, that's fine, but you should realize the girls probably think that you're dating other people. Also, 5 dates and you haven't kissed her? She's probably wondering if you're actually dating or if you think you're just activity partners.
Also they may be dating other guys. The time to have the exclusivity talk is when you want to be exclusive. Definitely before you have sex - but having sex doesn't imply exclusivity. I learned that the hard way. It's better to have the awkward talk and make sure you're both on the same page. If you like either of them and want to be more physical, just try to kiss them at the end of your next date. It's going to be awkward.
Stop overthinking it. If you haven't had a conversation about exclusivity then it is okay to still be seeing other people. There might be an expectation of exclusivity if you sleep together, but unless you communicate about it you won't know.
If it doesn't come up before you have sex I assume you meant sex by "sleep together" then I suggest asking her if she has that expectation afterwards. If she does, then you can decide to stop having sex with her if you are not ready to make that commitment.
You can also just not mention it and continue having sex with her and seeing other people, but there is a chance that she expects exclusivity in that case but doesn't communicate it, which may end up with someone getting hurt because their expectations were not met. I highly recommend communicating more than less. It's only a commitment step if you want it to be and agree that it is.
What you are thinking is probably fairly similar to what many other people think. You are normal. Just talk about it and you won't have to think because you will know.
But it's still a good idea to wait until you're outside the restaurant or bar. Public make-out sessions are a bit like cilantro — not everybody likes them! You may not be embarrassed by kissing in crowded places, but plenty of people are. Usher her out where it's quieter, take her hand, and only ask when you're sure that no teenagers are gawking at the two of you. Test The Waters First Let's say you want to go for the kiss mid-date, because you think the date is going great and she's really into you.
Maybe she's flirting with you enthusiastically, or touching your arm and flipping her hair. OK, great! These are all good signs.
But it's still best and the least scary approach for you to test the waters. Instead of phrasing it as a question right away, you could say something like: I keep thinking about kissing you. The key thing to remember is that women tend not to communicate as directly as men: This oblique statement allows her to respond however she chooses.
If she laughs it off, or changes the subject, you probably shouldn't ask to kiss her. If she seems to show interest, or replies with "Oh, really?
Well, maybe you should! There's nothing worse than that moment when you're alone in your car, and you lunge awkwardly at your date while asking.
Also, is it really a question if you don't give them time to respond? Ambushes are never romantic. Remember what you learned from all those movies and TV and books: The longer the wait before the kiss, the longer the sexual tension builds. This means that no matter what, you should stay in your chair until she gives you the green light. Say something like: Can I? Give her a moment to take it in and respond to it before you move.
The kiss will be all the better for it. But what do you do if she says "No," or shakes her head, or gently deflects the conversation? Remember, it's painful and embarrassing to decline when someone asks you for a kiss.
If she tells you no or signals you that she's not into it, drop it immediately. Don't act surprised "Really? But we had such a good date!